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Post by Nashi on Feb 25, 2018 2:12:54 GMT -6
Arcosians are able to posthumously turn into Androids as a way of continuing their play, much much like how (most) of the other races are able to turn into ghosts. In this, there is no problem.
I've had a chat with Mumbo in the c-box and he has directed me to make a suggestion, but I might not need to. Firstly, are PCs allowed to turn into Androids when alive? If the answer to that is no, my suggestion is that they should. This shouldn't be of little consequence, of course, so I'd personally recommend using the same 10kXP cost that Arcosians would need on death (as well as, of course, IC justification). Androids 17 and 18 were human but were not killed in their mechanisation process, so there's a clear canonical precedent.
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Post by Xanadu on Feb 25, 2018 9:40:47 GMT -6
I'd love to make Robo-Xanadu at some point.
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Maple
Administrator
PL: 80,000
Stargoon (x2P); Sparkling(x4P)
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Post by Maple on Feb 25, 2018 11:06:37 GMT -6
There's gameplay issues that have to be taken into consideration. For instance, many Species experience a mid game slump by design. I don't want people to be able to jump ship willy nilly.
Characters in their formative lore, in their backgrounds, have changed species and become Ghosts, Demons, Bio-androids, etc. Why is there this seeming need to become an Android on demand and not any of these other Species?
Mechanization for everyone was an artifact of there being no Ghosts on Souls. It was a poorly done mechanic, with little thought, because it was made as a quick fix to a problem. Story-wise, there is maybe one story that did the mechanization route well (imho), and then there were lots of frankly ridiculous mechanization stories.
So, I'm kinda against it. If someone wanted to be an Android, they should have picked it from the get-go.
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Post by Kail Valliere on Feb 26, 2018 2:46:28 GMT -6
Technically Kail is a Cyborg. I kinda wanted to give him a robot eye too, but didn't know if that'd be allowed.
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Lord Blezad
Rising Soul
PL: 5,015
Brute Form (x2P); Monster Form (x4P); True Form (x6P)
Tag: @therevolution
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Post by Lord Blezad on Feb 26, 2018 3:56:06 GMT -6
I'm personally for a mechanisation pathway, but my preference would be that its a limited option that requires IC precedent and is based around a new/altered racial balancing, rather than Android balancing, for the reason Vi stated above.
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Post by Ledinjin Frost on Feb 26, 2018 4:39:37 GMT -6
I've a thought on this: It may be due to certain characters wanting to 'evolve' their flesh to metal, to adapt their lives better through the readily available power that comes with being a Android. If the character has the intention to continue on in life, too, having cybernetic implants is also a possibility.
A thought just came to me with that statement: For non-regenerative races (including bio androids without Namekian traits), should a character be brought to a rejuvenation chamber when taking lethal intended damage between 150%-199% of their power level at the time of attack, they can undergo cybernetic surgery to cheat death. However, they lose access to a 1 major trait of their race to gain one Android trait, or they can become a full android. If they wish to maintain their race, they must replace the 1 trait with Durable body (originally I was thinking either Anti-Aura or Durable Body, but then I realized they'd still be sensible due to having living parts still.)
The modified version of Durable body operates at 16% instead of 33%. Naturally, if Arcosians pick this up to cheat death, their Durability trait is actually reduced to 16% from 33%. The benefit for them doing this would be they still get to keep their traits... Perhaps, as a item signature for Rejuvenation Chambers, as a 1 time use, a cybernized/reanimated individual can use it to restore their bodies back to normal. Future uses of this signature would need an xp dump of half the value to be able to do this again, should they find themselves as androids again, for whatever reason. NOTE: After cybernizing once in their life and undergoing this restorative process, they may not cybernize again.
Granted, these are sleepy thoughts! It's still a small consideration to bring into account.
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Post by Vegia on Feb 27, 2018 2:55:28 GMT -6
Back on Souls you could 'retire' a character and keep up to 20,000 PL for your new character.
If you want to change race after death, to demon, bio-android, android or whatever, I would have no problem with that mechanic being used for the purpose. Getting used to your new body, after you've reached a certain level of power, requires a lot of training to get back to where you were. Makes sense to me, and allows you to continue that character's story and relations without needing to wait for the dragon balls or similar.
Ghost is obviously a bit of a special case.
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Post by Ledinjin Frost on Feb 27, 2018 15:55:43 GMT -6
Ah yeah! That was for when you wanted to give a new character a headstart without needing to do a Beginner's Presentation. I can see it being easy to use here, but I've this feeling that it may be too strong at this stage of the site. We do barely have have people on site hitting 20k right now, before the first major arc happens. Not saying I'm not for it. I'm saying I'm not for it showing yet. It'd be interesting to come across a weak individual with only like 1.5k pl and they have a 1st stage signature already, thanks to the dirty magazine pick ups.  |
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Post by Lily on Mar 1, 2018 7:11:16 GMT -6
If balance concerns are great, but at the same note there is a call for it, what about a new "Mechanized" species. They would be like an Android-lite, sharing similarities with the Android species but retooled to act more like Ghosts, including the reduction in gains. You can always keep the Arcosian's Trait as an alternative still, as they're bodies are more capable of taking the augmentation without issue, but for other Species they can become "Mechanized" on death or become a "Ghost".
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